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Post by biddyFox on Nov 15, 2015 16:13:25 GMT -9
as has been said before, not a lot of this "bad stuff scrag's done" has occurred within ppr, or even within the forum. while this would be worthy of a banning if it'd occurred within ppr, this is not something that applies to it. thus, i will give this my -support
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Post by TimeToRunLetsGo on Nov 15, 2015 17:28:06 GMT -9
Hi guys, Time here. I know I have been inactive for a while, but I'd like to throw in a few words about this.
First of all, I'd like to say my time with him was less than desirable. Before he became an administrator, he called the game and its players 'autistic'. I know it's been a long time and it's water under the bridge for most of you, but since we're talking about rudeness, I figured I'd bring it up. He has also been known to make inappropriate comments, including 'I want [my character] inside me' (sexual innuendo) and when I made a complaint on the forum, he continued to change the subject and stay in denial until he realized he would have to apologize or face consequences. Now I personally do not think that he should be an administrator after that, but that was the time where Celceus was the head admin behind his application's approval, so I really had no word to it. So when I was a head administrator, I was very careful around him, and he continued to act very friendly around me, until tensions rose and I found out that he was constantly talking trash behind my back, afraid to consult me personally about my choices he disagreed with (again, not very administrator quality work). When I made a comment about him to his friend, saying he did not qualify for administration, I guess that made him very upset, as he contacted me on Steam, threatening to remove me from administration and providing the picture. It is also noteworthy that his attitude during the entire situation was smug, like he knew he was going to win. I had then realized that he knew more administrators than me in the end, and it was not worth continuing. I know my actions were very immature afterwords but it was not originally my idea and I would like to keep any more information about it classified. That being said, I can see that Scraggy has not improved in the slightest with inappropriate comments, immature attitude, and constantly trying to change the subject, all being shown in this thread.
And even if some of these actions have not been taken in pokemon paper roleplay, just know that he has done so in the past, and just because he comes back and acts better in your game should not mean it's excusable especially for an administrator. If he pulled something like that on Social Media and his job provider found out, he would most likely lose his job. It's not an invasion of privacy if the comments he made were still in a public place, and not towards somebody else in a private message besides the person making a complaint.
I would be very surprised if pikapikachar didn't choose to take action on this.
P.S. I really, really, really hate Google Chrome
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Post by Mama Pika on Nov 15, 2015 17:45:16 GMT -9
I'm actually really really grateful for your input Time.
As for me, I'm completely torn in the middle. As most of everyone so far has put "-support". But with what Time has said and everything with Easy and Silan, it makes it difficult.
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Post by RED on Nov 15, 2015 18:02:51 GMT -9
This exactly. It's like applying to be a police officer, and then a month into your job, people find a kid's dead body in a dumpster with your fingerprints on it. Do you honestly thing they're going to let you keep your job after that, regardless of whether or not the body has to do with the job directly?
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Post by Daie on Nov 15, 2015 18:27:00 GMT -9
I and many others have said this before, but I believe Bui is a good admin. He's active and gives fair judgement in applications and admin discussions. Losing a good and active admin would be very detrimental. Now Silan, despite you're bad times with him I don't think it is necessary to post private conversations that have nothing to do with the game.
I'm going to evaluate this complaint again since I thought about it more.
[ Complaint ]
We all can agree they don't have much to do with PPR and are mostly personal arguments with Silan's friend's or himself. He is using those personal arguments to support the reason to why bui should be unadmined.
Let me explain to you why that isn't a very valid way of judging him.
1 - It doesn't have anything to do with PPR. Duh
2 - He's catching Bui at his most vulnerable times. Look we've all been rude before it happens.
3 - The points don't showcase what he's done wrong as an admin. It's mostly what bad he's done as a person. That isn't fair at all.
I can go on, but I or someone else has probably stated the other stuff.
Silan did add points that weren't personal, but they we're already handled and happened decades ago.
Time's argument.
Now some of this stuff has happened some time ago and I'm not too familiar about it as much as I am with Silan's stuff, but I know about it somewhat. Okay I'm going to start here "So when I was a head administrator, I was very careful around him" since some the stuff before is very old and I'm not too familiar with it. Okay talking behind you're back I can't really defend, but the denial of MajesticFireFlame was completely unfair since nobody gave opinions on it. And the reason of denial wasn't even that good of a reason. Okay after seeing how scrag was in the past I think he's changed. He went from those imappropriate comments to this just admin we have today. All the inappropriate comments and immature attitude happened outside of PPR and in a skype call or chat room it isn't fair to judge someone with what happened personally with friends or enemies. Constantly trying to change the subject, evaluate on that please.
By the way if I didn't put something in that ^ up there I didn't really know about it and it isn't my place to talk about it.
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Post by Daie on Nov 15, 2015 18:31:17 GMT -9
This exactly. It's like applying to be a police officer, and then a month into your job, people find a kid's dead body in a dumpster with your fingerprints on it. Do you honestly thing they're going to let you keep your job after that, regardless of whether or not the body has to do with the job directly? Comparing not liking your friends to an officer killing someone..? Like I'd understand if Bui did something like unjustly banning someone or something, but that isn't really a comparison you can make.
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Post by RED on Nov 15, 2015 18:43:18 GMT -9
I and many others have said this before, but I believe Bui is a good admin. He's active and gives fair judgement in applications and admin discussions. Losing a good and active admin would be very detrimental.
Anybody can be active, and anybody can be smart if they try. Despite the good Bui's done, it's just not worth the trouble he's caused.
I don't even know who you are, actually.
Okay then, I'll change it.
"This exactly. It's like applying to be a police officer, and then a month into your job, you send all of your co-workers and managers hateful messages. Do you honestly thing they're going to let you keep your job after that, regardless of whether or not the messages have to do with the job directly?"
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Post by Daie on Nov 15, 2015 18:49:13 GMT -9
I and many others have said this before, but I believe Bui is a good admin. He's active and gives fair judgement in applications and admin discussions. Losing a good and active admin would be very detrimental.
Anybody can be active, and anybody can be smart if they try. Despite the good Bui's done, it's just not worth the trouble he's caused.
I don't even know who you are, actually.
Okay then, I'll change it.
"This exactly. It's like applying to be a police officer, and then a month into your job, you send all of your co-workers and managers hateful messages. Do you honestly thing they're going to let you keep your job after that, regardless of whether or not the messages have to do with the job directly?"
What trouble? Really all you pointed out with that evidence is that you don't like each other. That's good. Also wrong, you aren't co-workers, nor did he do anything to you through PPR with hateful messages.
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Post by Daie on Nov 15, 2015 18:51:48 GMT -9
Dude you really don't seem to understand what many people are trying to say. PERSONAL fights that happen on skype that have NOTHING to do with PPR shouldn't determine if the person is a good admin or not.
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Post by RED on Nov 15, 2015 18:55:58 GMT -9
He also dislikes many other people. Time's given an example. Easy's given an example. Masked knows what was said to him over steam. MajesticFireFlame knows about his acts as well.
Yes, it is good because it means you aren't denying that this; is false, admitting you really don't know anything about my stuff, thus disregarding your point entirely.
No, we aren't co-workers, but why does this matter? I'm giving a working metaphor. Somebody has a job, they do something really bad that doesn't directly relate to the job, they lose their job because they're found out to be incompetent or risky to keep around. This happens all the time.
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Post by timetorunletsgo on Nov 15, 2015 19:02:13 GMT -9
Time's argument. Now some of this stuff has happened some time ago and I'm not too familiar about it as much as I am with Silan's stuff, but I know about it somewhat. Okay I'm going to start here "So when I was a head administrator, I was very careful around him" since some the stuff before is very old and I'm not too familiar with it. Okay talking behind you're back I can't really defend, but the denial of MajesticFireFlame was completely unfair since nobody gave opinions on it. And the reason of denial wasn't even that good of a reason. Okay after seeing how scrag was in the past I think he's changed. He went from those imappropriate comments to this just admin we have today. All the inappropriate comments and immature attitude happened outside of PPR and in a skype call or chat room it isn't fair to judge someone with what happened personally with friends or enemies. Constantly trying to change the subject, evaluate on that please. By the way if I didn't put something in that ^ up there I didn't really know about it and it isn't my place to talk about it. About Pokasi. In hindsight, I could have looked over the application more before making a judgement. But the only person I regret denying was easyfind. Pokasi was as stubborn as I had thought, he had shown this attitude in one of my final administrator chats. The thing about reviewing applications is that you have to look past player support sometimes, and look at the application itself, and the application was trash. I don't wish to talk about this anymore unless it becomes related again. And I don't understand the message you're trying to convey. It's okay to talk trash to someone as somebody who is meant to represent the community, as long as its private? No, that's not how it works. If you get found out, you better be ready to face consequences. And let's not brisk over the fact that I got removed because of a private message I sent to one of scrag's friends, about scrag, and one comment not nearly as insulting as the paragraphs he wrote about me. Finally, the incident where he went into a middle of a roleplay in between me and a few friends and blatantly said he wanted my character inside him. I felt really uncomfortable ans expressed so in my complaint. His excuse was that he wanted my character vored or inserted inside of him, which contradicted the context he put it in.
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Post by RED on Nov 15, 2015 19:07:55 GMT -9
I just wanted to bring more attention to this paragraph, as it is very important.
People, please. It doesn't matter if it happened on PPR or not. It's relevant. And why should my points be turned down because it wasn't relevant when Time was unadminned for exactly the same thing? That's contradictory, inconsistent, and outright favoritism. Admins should not get a get-out-of-jail-free card just because they're friends with other admins.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 19:11:18 GMT -9
Enough of these match up with what I've seen(and again, though I'm bad at handling arguments, if he really was arguing instead of just flamebaiting he'd have actually listened instead of hypocritically insulting me(which I admittedly returned, but his counterarguments literally matched the ones I had that made him label me a sick murderer) and refusing to negotiate anything), and the things I haven't seen here seem possible and bad enough that I'd have to agree. I mean, I've seen him just sit AFK on a server for hours, and the few times he is on he's flamebaiting, saying inappropriate things, or interrupting roleplays with "humor" that belongs on an awful meme joke thread...
Just my two cents, I really don't have the best credibility on who's rude and unlikable, but I at least wouldn't consider him admin material due to lack of crediblity and overall poor character.
Keep in mind I haven't been on for a couple weeks on the actual game, this is past experience and what's written above.
P.S. SERIOUSLY, LEAVE THE 13 YEAR OLD ALONE YOU SICK FILTH.
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Post by Daie on Nov 15, 2015 19:13:11 GMT -9
He also dislikes many other people. Time's given an example. Easy's given an example. Masked knows what was said to him over steam. MajesticFireFlame knows about it too. Yes, it is good because it means you aren't denying that this; is false, and you really don't know anything about my stuff, thus disregarding your point entirely. No, we aren't co-workers, but why does this matter? I'm giving a working metaphor. Somebody has a job, they do something really bad that doesn't directly relate to the job, they lose their job. You know Silan I'll give you a hand; for the first time in this thread you pointed out a witness that had a problem pertaining to ppr. If you could guess that person is time so yourself a pat on the back. Anyway, there's nothing wrong with disliking others for one. Two the examples shown aren't relating to PPR, to add to that I know for a fact that Easy, and Majestic do not like Bui I don't see how they would count. Masked's examples aren't shown and if you are going to show them get consent first. ...? I know what I am talking about here, ask Majestic and Bui I am a bystander to most of the things that happened before. I'm ignoring this part since it doesn't matter at this point.
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Post by RED on Nov 15, 2015 19:18:48 GMT -9
I was going to give another metaphor before I learned you would probably shoot it down again because of how I worded it instead of understanding why I said it.
I've already asked Maj. They agree with me for the most part. I don't see why I would in any given scenario ask Bui, since of course he's going to defend himself and reiterate his previous points with a little bit more snark thrown in than last time.
Okay.
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