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Post by Daie on Nov 15, 2015 19:24:16 GMT -9
Time's argument. Now some of this stuff has happened some time ago and I'm not too familiar about it as much as I am with Silan's stuff, but I know about it somewhat. Okay I'm going to start here "So when I was a head administrator, I was very careful around him" since some the stuff before is very old and I'm not too familiar with it. Okay talking behind you're back I can't really defend, but the denial of MajesticFireFlame was completely unfair since nobody gave opinions on it. And the reason of denial wasn't even that good of a reason. Okay after seeing how scrag was in the past I think he's changed. He went from those imappropriate comments to this just admin we have today. All the inappropriate comments and immature attitude happened outside of PPR and in a skype call or chat room it isn't fair to judge someone with what happened personally with friends or enemies. Constantly trying to change the subject, evaluate on that please. By the way if I didn't put something in that ^ up there I didn't really know about it and it isn't my place to talk about it. About Pokasi. In hindsight, I could have looked over the application more before making a judgement. But the only person I regret denying was easyfind. Pokasi was as stubborn as I had thought, he had shown this attitude in one of my final administrator chats. The thing about reviewing applications is that you have to look past player support sometimes, and look at the application itself, and the application was trash. I don't wish to talk about this anymore unless it becomes related again. And I don't understand the message you're trying to convey. It's okay to talk trash to someone as somebody who is meant to represent the community, as long as its private? No, that's not how it works. If you get found out, you better be ready to face consequences. And let's not brisk over the fact that I got removed because of a private message I sent to one of scrag's friends, about scrag, and one comment not nearly as insulting as the paragraphs he wrote about me. Finally, the incident where he went into a middle of a roleplay in between me and a few friends and blatantly said he wanted my character inside him. I felt really uncomfortable ans expressed so in my complaint. His excuse was that he wanted my character vored or inserted inside of him, which contradicted the context he put it in. Starting on the second paragraph. Well it's more so, the "trash talk" was something said out of game in a skype chat right? It wasn't related to PPR and the conversations we're already settled with either an apology or they didn't become friends. The fact that the problems we're settled kind of renders the personal arguments not important to the complaint already. Again let me point out these are personal conversations, because Bui does not like someone doesn't mean he should be punished for it here this place has nothing to do with the personal arguments at all.
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Post by RED on Nov 15, 2015 19:38:29 GMT -9
I'm sorry, but you're defending somebody who is known to harass members, bring up touchy topics in-game (essentially flamebaiting), and has, on record, not done their job right at least once, all because they're your friend. That's just wrong.
You're also missing the point Time is trying to put across.
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Post by timetorunletsgo on Nov 15, 2015 19:41:42 GMT -9
About Pokasi. In hindsight, I could have looked over the application more before making a judgement. But the only person I regret denying was easyfind. Pokasi was as stubborn as I had thought, he had shown this attitude in one of my final administrator chats. The thing about reviewing applications is that you have to look past player support sometimes, and look at the application itself, and the application was trash. I don't wish to talk about this anymore unless it becomes related again. And I don't understand the message you're trying to convey. It's okay to talk trash to someone as somebody who is meant to represent the community, as long as its private? No, that's not how it works. If you get found out, you better be ready to face consequences. And let's not brisk over the fact that I got removed because of a private message I sent to one of scrag's friends, about scrag, and one comment not nearly as insulting as the paragraphs he wrote about me. Finally, the incident where he went into a middle of a roleplay in between me and a few friends and blatantly said he wanted my character inside him. I felt really uncomfortable ans expressed so in my complaint. His excuse was that he wanted my character vored or inserted inside of him, which contradicted the context he put it in. Well it's more so, the "trash talk" was something said out of game in a skype chat right? It wasn't related to PPR and the conversations we're already settled with either an apology or they didn't become friends. The fact that the problems we're settled kind of renders the personal arguments not important to the complaint already. Again let me point out these are personal conversations, because Bui does not like someone doesn't mean he should be punished for it here this place has nothing to do with the personal arguments at all. Stop saying "It wasn't related to PPR". It was between two members of PPR, one being an admin (something that is being overlooked), and the conversation was most likely about something that happened related to PPR, with one of a communitys member being mentioned quite maliciously. It obviously did have some correlation to PP, if not all. From the second screenshot provided, it looked like Silan was trying to end the conversation, but instead, we got Scrag acting immature and relentlessly insulting him. And let me tell you something, if I were still headmin and Scrag didn't do any wrong to that point, I would instantly remove him for that comment about Zelda. Not only was it disgusting and rude, but it was entirely unnecessary to mention her. Silan is not trying to get Bui punished for disliking anybody alone, he is also showing Buizelzz inability to handle situations maturely, and showing how inappropriate he can act. Why should an admins behavior be dismissed like this?
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Post by Buizelzzz on Nov 15, 2015 19:57:15 GMT -9
May I reiterate this thread because clearly nobody is understanding me or taking in my arguments that I am making here and I would like to just say that PPR is not a business so it shouldn't be treated as such. We don't get paid, you don't get paid. It is on the internet and our work is voluntary. We don't become admins to earn money, as I said. Voluntary. You must handle this differently and not treat it as the next Mcdonalds building where everyone is critiqued. I agree it's the Head Admin and Managers jobs to keep everybody in line, but I do not agree that people should be judged for what they do out of game. If this were the case, numerous times have I heard about Silan talking trash behind my back to his friends and other people. That doesn't make Silan a bad person. It means he has an emotion called anger. I respect that, I too talk trash behind every bodies back. There is no denying that. Aidan and Time talk trash about other people behind there backs and I've seen proof of this from a little birdy. Your logic all crumbles in on its self when you really add this argument in. You would be implying that all I have to do to get somebody banned is take a few snaps of them talking shit about someone behind there back and boom, it's done. If that were really implemented... Think about it. I'm pretty sure half this community would be out of Admin and being so I don't agree with this statement. It's been a while since I've made a rational argument so I might as well start making them now.
I've done a lot of shit as an admin here. A ton of bad things and a ton of good things. I would like to address that what I did to Time was bad. He should have remained as the Head Admin of PPR and my reasons were faulty. I also admit I said a lot of shit about him behind his back that he may never forgive me for. I also admit I've said a ton of stupid shit to Mega and his friends. I said " Go lick Zelda's pussy. " and I apologized. What I said was a terrible thing, it really was. I have to say that if I said that in a more professional business setting, I would be out of job if it got public. It's really pathetic of the things I've done and said, but I really can't bother to fix them because I don't care about them. When I'm not on PPR I just want to have a fun time and relax. My personality completely changes when I'm not in-game because I'm immature. I'm not an adult and my hormones are high. Most everybody on this is immature. We all make inappropriate jokes. Masked makes inappropriate jokes, I make inappropriate jokes. Ivy makes inappropriate jokes. We all do. My Math teacher said to me that there are things that you should not say in a professional setting and if you were caught saying them, you'd be fired. He chooses to say them with his friends, and you know what. I completely agree with that because I do not want to be badgered for what happens out of game. It's illogical, It's an invasion of privacy, and it completely faulty. Point one, I said this is no professional setting. Look in the shoutbox below you. Do you see people talking in a professional manner? Do you see them earning paychecks? No. I certainly don't but I agree I've done stupid shit.
My position on the points that were held in the past about me being immature are true. I don't flamebait in servers on frequent and to make such a claim and to have somebody support it is completely insane. I would basically be spending the entirety of my work as admin, insulting others and if that were the case, I wouldn't be holding a position as admin. It's an extreme exaggeration. Ask the Community of PPR if I do this and I'm certain you will not receive the answer you desire because this happened month and month ago. I admit too having flamebaited once or twice but it is because when I feel the need to point out something, I'm impulsive to do that. Silan is the same way, as he calls me out when he notices I'm being stupid and you know what. When he calls me out for the most part, he's right.. He calls me out for valid things but my stubbornness makes me argue back. I may disagree with the ton of Silan's points that he makes but I won't disagree with this one. I have done a lot of wrong, but you know what. I've done a whole lot of good things too. The people who's roleplays I apparently interrupt are actually friends of mine. I am allowed to hold my own voice with my friends and I don't need to be judged for making dank 'meme' jokes. I keep my stuff out of PPR and I expect it not too be shown to everybody.
Silan and his friends should openly accept that I'm hostile towards them and they probably do. Silan for the most part is hostile towards me. You know what? So what. It's obvious this is just an example of an extreme grudge between both me and him going public. It's nothing worth an unadmin and as for myself. I'm openly willing to say I do say a lot of shit and I've done a whole lot of shit. I'm not like I was 8 - 9 month ago. I don't go on PPR and call everybody rude names because I understand what will happen. I'm just asking that you keep personal arguments away from PPR.
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Post by Daie on Nov 15, 2015 20:03:53 GMT -9
Well bui explained it all here, I think I'm gonna sleep now.
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Post by RED on Nov 15, 2015 20:08:06 GMT -9
Time was unadminned for something not said in PPR, why does it suddenly matter that this wasn't in PPR? That's the only excuse you have at this point, and it's not even valid.
As I've said in my very first post in this thread. you are inconsiderate. You don't think before you type, solely because you think it being a "private chat" makes it okay to say.
It's not an invasion of privacy. It's proof.
Is this admitting that you are in fact a bad admin?
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Post by Buizelzzz on Nov 15, 2015 20:17:47 GMT -9
No, I will retell it for you, because I think you missed how many points I had in my paragraph.
I was referring to I'm not going to fix my behavior out of PPR, I'm really worried that you may be skimming over my entire paragraphs in an attempt to find points to better your argument. Listen, please read the whole of my points. I'm not trying to waste your time with a couple paragraphs. I'm trying to give you my honesty, please read.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 20:22:38 GMT -9
I can't recall my stance if things off-PPR should be considered. I believe so, since there are enough condemning actions on-PPR, and the off-PPR community problems are very heavy supporting evidence. Whether the actions affect the game is an important factor, but we must also consider whether or not he is beneficial to the community, since admin is not just an in-game role, community-wise. I think at the very least he does not show the character needed to be an admin. I certainly don't, and I don't sexually harass 13 year olds.
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Post by RED on Nov 15, 2015 20:24:42 GMT -9
I was referring to I'm not going to fix my behavior out of PPR So then you're saying that you are in fact going to continue harassing people? You've just established barebones proof that there's no reason for you to be admin anymore, going against the entire point you've been trying to prove for eight pages now.
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Post by timetorunletsgo on Nov 15, 2015 20:27:13 GMT -9
May I reiterate this thread because clearly nobody is understanding me or taking in my arguments that I am making here and I would like to just say that PPR is not a business so it shouldn't be treated as such. We don't get paid, you don't get paid. It is on the internet and our work is voluntary. We don't become admins to earn money, as I said. Voluntary. You must handle this differently and not treat it as the next Mcdonalds building where everyone is critiqued. I agree it's the Head Admin and Managers jobs to keep everybody in line, but I do not agree that people should be judged for what they do out of game. If this were the case, numerous times have I heard about Silan talking trash behind my back to his friends and other people. That doesn't make Silan a bad person. It means he has an emotion called anger. I respect that, I too talk trash behind every bodies back. There is no denying that. Aidan and Time talk trash about other people behind there backs and I've seen proof of this from a little birdy. Your logic all crumbles in on its self when you really add this argument in. You would be implying that all I have to do to get somebody banned is take a few snaps of them talking shit about someone behind there back and boom, it's done. If that were really implemented... Think about it. I'm pretty sure half this community would be out of Admin and being so I don't agree with this statement. It's been a while since I've made a rational argument so I might as well start making them now. I've done a lot of shit as an admin here. A ton of bad things and a ton of good things. I would like to address that what I did to Time was bad. He should have remained as the Head Admin of PPR and my reasons were faulty. I also admit I said a lot of shit about him behind his back that he may never forgive me for. I also admit I've said a ton of stupid shit to Mega and his friends. I said " Go lick Zelda's pussy. " and I apologized. What I said was a terrible thing, it really was. I have to say that if I said that in a more professional business setting, I would be out of job if it got public. It's really pathetic of the things I've done and said, but I really can't bother to fix them because I don't care about them. When I'm not on PPR I just want to have a fun time and relax. My personality completely changes when I'm not in-game because I'm immature. I'm not an adult and my hormones are high. Most everybody on this is immature. We all make inappropriate jokes. Masked makes inappropriate jokes, I make inappropriate jokes. Ivy makes inappropriate jokes. We all do. My Math teacher said to me that there are things that you should not say in a professional setting and if you were caught saying them, you'd be fired. He chooses to say them with his friends, and you know what. I completely agree with that because I do not want to be badgered for what happens out of game. It's illogical, It's an invasion of privacy, and it completely faulty. Point one, I said this is no professional setting. Look in the shoutbox below you. Do you see people talking in a professional manner? Do you see them earning paychecks? No. I certainly don't but I agree I've done stupid shit. My position on the points that were held in the past about me being immature are true. I don't flamebait in servers on frequent and to make such a claim and to have somebody support it is completely insane. I would basically be spending the entirety of my work as admin, insulting others and if that were the case, I wouldn't be holding a position as admin. It's an extreme exaggeration. Ask the Community of PPR if I do this and I'm certain you will not receive the answer you desire because this happened month and month ago. I admit too having flamebaited once or twice but it is because when I feel the need to point out something, I'm impulsive to do that. Silan is the same way, as he calls me out when he notices I'm being stupid and you know what. When he calls me out for the most part, he's right.. He calls me out for valid things but my stubbornness makes me argue back. I may disagree with the ton of Silan's points that he makes but I won't disagree with this one. I have done a lot of wrong, but you know what. I've done a whole lot of good things too. The people who's roleplays I apparently interrupt are actually friends of mine. I am allowed to hold my own voice with my friends and I don't need to be judged for making dank 'meme' jokes. I keep my stuff out of PPR and I expect it not too be shown to everybody. Silan and his friends should openly accept that I'm hostile towards them and they probably do. Silan for the most part is hostile towards me. You know what? So what. It's obvious this is just an example of an extreme grudge between both me and him going public. It's nothing worth an unadmin and as for myself. I'm openly willing to say I do say a lot of shit and I've done a whole lot of shit. I'm not like I was 8 - 9 month ago. I don't go on PPR and call everybody rude names because I understand what will happen. I'm just asking that you keep personal arguments away from PPR. You're right, Scraggy. You're not as bad as you were 9 months ago. You're worse. Your arguments are arrogant and condescending as usual, let me get this counter argument off my chest because I need sleep. First of all, I made that comparison not to compare PPR to a buisness, but to show a real life example about how stupid actions can get you punished and how you can't use "privacy" to get away with it. You're absolutely right, me and Aidan talk shit about people all the time. But we also dont go to them, tell them to eat shit or lick one of their close friend's pussies when they're not interested in talking. This is why we keep it in a private chat, between each other, which you have failed to do. And if you're seriously implying that my argument is wrong because I did it too, then you must think that its okay as long as I do it. Oh yes, and while you did not get me banned from one screenshot, you got me unadminned and a seriously negative rep was stamped on me because of it. Second paragraph is mostly just you moping over previous actions and acting extremely apologetic even though you've learned absolutely nothing as usual, with some bullshit added. No, it wasnt private, it was adressed directly to megamario in a hateful manner and he chose to issue a complaint about it. If you seriously only take evidence if its in game, which you dont unless its to get rid of somebody you dont like, then Spono would still be here, because he did most of his dumb shit on the forums, which got him banned. And the fact that you're using "I'm not an adult" and are above the age of ten, something tells me you're not ready to accept the responsibility of an admin. im leaving the rest out for now
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Post by Buizelzzz on Nov 15, 2015 20:28:36 GMT -9
I was referring to I'm not going to fix my behavior out of PPR So then you're saying that you are in fact going to continue harassing people? You've just established barebones proof that there's no reason for you to be admin anymore, going against the entire point you've been trying to prove for eight pages now. I'm not harassing though and it feels like you've pulled that out of nowhere... I don't constantly randomly call people out of nowhere calling them bad names and dishing them out because I want too feel power over them. I don't do that, I've never harassed anybody in my entire life. I only argue with people when our ideals conflict with one another. I seek not too intimidate but try and get a point across. That's all I do. I don't want to come off as a bad person but sometimes it just happens that way.
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Post by RED on Nov 15, 2015 20:33:48 GMT -9
So then you're saying that you are in fact going to continue harassing people? You've just established barebones proof that there's no reason for you to be admin anymore, going against the entire point you've been trying to prove for eight pages now. I've never harassed anybody in my entire life. I have never read or heard anything in the community that could be any more false than this. There's proof in the first post of you harassing me and Zelda.
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Post by Buizelzzz on Nov 15, 2015 20:35:41 GMT -9
Harassing would mean that I'm pressuring you aggressively and trying to intimidate you. Which I'm not.
Since Time never pointed this out, I'd like to say that he resigned. Not was unadminned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 20:37:28 GMT -9
I'm sorry to interrupt, I'll just lay this right here before my phone dies.
ha·rass həˈras,ˈherəs/ verb subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation. "a warning to men harassing women at work" synonyms: persecute, intimidate, hound, harry, plague, torment, bully, bedevil; More make repeated small-scale attacks on (an enemy). "the squadron's task was to harass the retreating enemy forces" synonyms: harry, attack, beleaguer, set upon, assail "they were sent to harass the enemy flanks"
Good night. Hopefully you will resolve your problems here, and maybe even bond a bit.
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Post by RED on Nov 15, 2015 20:40:21 GMT -9
Harassing would mean that I'm pressuring you aggressively and trying to intimidate you. Which I'm not. Which you do, actually. Very often. At one point in a steam chat with us, you even admitted that "when i'm in ppr doing my job, of course I have to act aggressive and intimidating, because I'm an admin." Something along those lines, it's not exact, but it's the same thing.
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